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1.Weebly guys launch snaplayout.com (techcrunch.com)
42 points by drm237 on Oct 10, 2007 | 29 comments
2.Damn you, Bobby Tables. (xkcd.com)
38 points by kyro on Oct 10, 2007 | 14 comments

Berkeley is dirty, expensive, and everything closes at 9pm sharp. Anticorporatism is strong so most shops are coops or expensive food stores. The college environment and the college kids somewhat make up for it, the atmosphere is hard to beat.

San Francisco is crowded, expensive, and it's a second-rate NYC. But the proximity to everything and everyone again makes up for a lot, especially for cuisine and nightlife. Driving is pain, housing is a pain.

Milpitas is cheap, full of housing, but next to the city dump. It smells in the summer and since there's so much suburban sprawl, you'll drive for half an hour before reaching the highway. Everything closes early too, there's no downtown or nightlife.

Mountain View: tract homes suburban sprawl. Mountain View has one long strip called Castro street that masquerades as a downtown on certain days. Other than that it's just old 60's tract housing style (you'll find this to be the case for almost all of Silicon Valley).

Sunnyvale is like a pseudo commercial zone where all the warehouses and tiny offices are. Imagine playing SimCity and watching your purple zone languishing. That's Sunnyvale. It's definitely cheaper though to live because of this effect. There's a Fry's and Costco here, meaning you don't need to go anywhere else.

Cupertino/Saratoga has one big hit: Apple. There's no downtown, everything closes at 9pm sharp. Cupertino is essentially where everyone commutes back to after working in SF or Sunnyvale. There are an abundance of police officers because of the odd arrangement the city has with the county to generate revenue. Saratoga is up in the hills which is pretty but basically excludes anyone without a seven digit network.

Palo Alto is schizophrenic in that it doesn't know whether it's a farm town, college town, ritzy retreat, or corporate shill. Stanford is here and the surrounding area outside of Stanford is great. Sand Hill Road is right outside, there's a strip that act as the downtown, significantly longer than Castro. But because of Stanford it attracts quite a lot of companies to move here which in turn forces house pricing through the roof. Facebook is based here and they pay their employees an extra $600 to live within a 1 mile radius, meaning your chances are next to nothing to get a nice place. Watch out for East Palo Alto, that's not a place you want to be.

Santa Clara is like the ice cream center of a cake. It slowly melts into either layer but in the mean time it acts as the barrier between the sponge up top and the ghetto area on the bottom. This is where most people go because of the lower housing pricing due to market pressures. It's not a bad area, but then again it's not the sunny disposition you would expect California to be known for. This is also where my stolen car ended up at. Twice.

East San Jose. This isn't meant to be racist: east San Jose is where most of the poor live, there's a huge Mexican and Vietnamese community here. This is also where the low-rent and section-8 apartments are and where most of the illegal immigrants will bus from to find work at Home Depot in other areas. This isn't in any way to degenerate them, but this is just how the city is broken up into. Go more east and near the mountains and you end up at this ritzy and rich community called Silver Creek where they built thousands of big houses. You can drive for an hour here and still not see the main highway.

San Jose itself is huge. In fact, it's bigger than San Francisco, ranking itself as the 3rd biggest city in California. There's a downtown, but it's not as glamorous as say New York nor LA. Plenty of clubs to go to but it's almost always full of cop cars, low riders, scrapers with big wheels, and sound system that's enough to shatter glass. Quite a lot of companies are here though, Adobe for one, and the recent clamor for city living has caused quite a few skyscrapers to go up for loft living and the like. Prepare to pluck down more than $750k for a 900sq ft loft with sky high windows that look directly into a depressing airport. Oh, at least they have the courtesy to shut off the airport after 9pm (apparently everyone sleeps at 9 in Silicon Valley). There's multiple museums though, but they have enough content to last you through maybe 3 weekends.

This turned out more pessimistic than I had originally intended it to be. It's not to say I hate Silicon Valley, but the wide-eyed optimism has worn off. Don't think it's a dreamland, it's just an certain area where lots of people have moved into. The new trend now is to tear down unoccupied commercial zones (caused by the first dot-com boom) and remaking them as condos. Expensive condos. It's only getting more and more people to come in. Traffic is annoying. Stuff is expensive. There's houses everywhere. And most areas lack charm.

So in summation, where would I go?

With a bit more money saved up, I would much prefer Palo Alto, it's by far the best area, a 30 minute drive to the City (that's what we call San Francisco) and close proximity to Mountain View. If I just need a cheap place to stay? Santa Clara. If I want to live the California life? San Francisco. If I have a family? Cupertino. If I really really really want to have a house? Milpitas.

Don't take this post as gospel though. I've only been living here for 15 years and can't say I have truly captured ever nuance of Silicon Valley.

Addendum: Oakland. It's in a renovation stage. What used to be a horrifying place to live at is now being revitalized for business and as a contra to SF. The popular trend amongst my friends and smaller startups is live in SF or Fremont/Union City and rent an office in Oakland. You can find a huge 1500 sq ft open loft/warehouse type office for less than $1.50/sqft. I still wouldn't live in Oakland though.


I agree. It would be great if there were some way to filter the good submissions from the bad ones, perhaps with some sort of voting mechanism.
5.document.f.q.focus(); The Billion Dollar Line of JavaScript (blogstorm.co.uk)
21 points by jkush on Oct 10, 2007 | 13 comments
6.Is this YC News' Birthday?
21 points by Xichekolas on Oct 10, 2007 | 5 comments
7.Ask YC: Best areas for startups to relocate to Silicon Valley?
21 points by terrysilver on Oct 10, 2007 | 28 comments
8.Visual mathematics (twoday.net)
17 points by axiom on Oct 10, 2007 | 3 comments

BREAKING: Y Combinator News is turning into Reddit.
10.reddit would like to buy you a drink, san francisco (reddit.com)
18 points by mqt on Oct 10, 2007 | 2 comments
11.Pump and dump
16 points by daveb on Oct 10, 2007 | 15 comments

Hmm, I suppose it is, in a way. The system has been up and running for 365 days. But 365 days ago reddit was in the middle of getting bought, and we didn't want to freak out Conde Nast. So the site wasn't launched till Feb 07.
13.Cmdrtaco may have a point (reddit.blogspot.com)
16 points by mqt on Oct 10, 2007 | 7 comments
14.Summer YC: Fuzzwich Politics Cartoon builder (fuzzwich.com)
15 points by immad on Oct 10, 2007 | 4 comments
15.Starting salaries surge for computer science grads (arstechnica.com)
14 points by mqt on Oct 10, 2007 | 3 comments
16.KnowledgeBid - YC applicant - looking for feedback (knowledgebid.com)
15 points by rwebb on Oct 10, 2007 | 47 comments

Complete with people complaining every time a link they don't like gets on the front page for a while.
18.Offshoring Is Dead: How to Thrive in the New World Order (assembla.com)
13 points by bokonist on Oct 10, 2007 | 4 comments
19.Good luck to all Winter '08 Applicants!
12 points by aaroneous on Oct 10, 2007 | 9 comments
20.Who Wants to Be a Facebook Millionaire? (businessweek.com)
12 points by terpua on Oct 10, 2007 | 1 comment

Paul, here is another point to backup your premise: one of the best ways to meet potential investors/acquirers is to go to the same social events that they do. If you live in the same place as them, even if you aren't going to a startup-oriented social event, you still have a good chance of running into them and striking up a conversation.

Case in point -- my cousin wants to make movies. So he decided to move to LA and get a job as a bartender. He went to bartending school and then got a job at a bar that is frequented by producers and other movie industry folk. One day he served a drink to a producer, mentioned to the guy that he wanted to make movies, and is now working on a couple of movie deals. That could have never happened even if he continued to live in his native Orange County, only 40 miles away.


It's still valuable, especially for larger companies, but no longer critical for newly founded startups. You probably shouldn't pay for PR till you have enough money that it doesn't hurt.
23.When seed funding is better than Series A... (venturebeat.com)
11 points by jkopelman on Oct 10, 2007

And this, of course, is not an example of exactly that.
25.Picnicmob brings like-minded people together at public parks (picnicmob.org)
10 points by darragjm on Oct 10, 2007 | 5 comments

So how valuable is it to move to a strange city where you don't know anyone versus staying in the less optimal city where you actually have friends and connections? It's great that Silicon Valley and Boston have this bubbling startup culture, but if you didn't graduate from school there it seems less likely you'd be able to tap into that resource.

27.The Editing pass- Going over your code after it passes the tests can be like a second set of eyes. (michael-mccracken.net)
10 points by e1ven on Oct 10, 2007

We don't notice the userid of every comment and story, just long-term patterns. So it's probably too late for anyone to do anything (good) that would affect their application.

DUDE strategic-mortgagedata.com???? I've been waiting for that domain since 1994! Woot!

Complete with self-obsessed meta-discussions.

Okay, a variation on the thing I've been saying for a while now: When a link gets into the top twenty, THEN give us a down arrow.


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